Homosexual Transsexual vs Autogynephilic males
By Guest author
Much has made about the differences between autogynephilic transvestites (AGP) and homosexual transsexuals (HSTS). However, most of this work remains largely clinical and as such, it fails to connect to the sympathies of the public. An exception to this of course being J. Michael Bailey's The Man who would be Queen, an almost pop-science interpretation of the data on transsexualism. Even this, despite being a nice read, is written from the perspective of a researcher. What I am getting at, if not already obvious, is that not much is written from the perspective of Homosexual Transsexual women.
I am a Homosexual Transsexual woman, and was invited by Rod to write a piece or two based on my experiences. I don't usually get to share these with other people, and I thought this a good opportunity. I won't get into much about my childhood -- after you've heard a couple of Homosexual Transsexual's childhood remembrances, you've pretty much heard them all -- but I will give
I see a lot of the authors claimed observations to be a bit off. Many of the taller trans that the author describes as HSTS are indeed more AGP.
Just look at the Black and Latin transsexuals who get their ass, boobs and cheeks pumped with silicone and are obsessed with staring in the mirror trying to visualize their ideal female body.
When interacting with these you can see that they are a bit self absorbed in themselves and their interactions with men. They just transitioned younger than other AGPs.
in my opinion, this phenomenon has three explanations
– these persons are HSTS who have a small part of AGP in them or then a narcissism separate from that of AGP. But they are HSTS
– A lot of females have this behaviour. I think it’s feminine behavior
– they are HSTS which have generally grown up in a western country or come from a western culture where femininity is suppressed in males (or they are slighly more masculine HSTS ). And they decompensate this cultural frustration in a pseudo narcissism
(or an oscillation between HSTS and AGP)
Your characterization of “HSTS” vs “AGP” trans women has no basis in reality. I would be an “AGP” according to you since I am exclusively attracted to women, and although I am somewhat tall for a woman (5’10”), I have narrow shoulders and a small rib cage, and I fit into women’s clothing quite easily. Perhaps trans women with childhood dysphoria tend to pass better since they tend to start HRT earlier, but they don’t have more “naturally feminine” bodies.
I will take the liberty of interjecting for Noomi. Her characterisation is fully based in reality, you just deny reality.
I personally have never said that ALL HSTS were short in stature, I said they ‘tended to be’. It’s different. Put simply, HSTS in any given ethnic group, all tend to look remarkably similar and tend to be at the extreme end of the scale, amongst males, on traits like shortness, lightness of build, neoteny, fineness of bones, etc etc. Non-homosexual MtF are simply no different on any of these from the average of other males in their ethnic group. It is glaringly obvious, to anyone familiar with the subject, when looking at a mixed group of transwomen, which are HSTS and which are AGP. There is NEVER any doubt.
The only explanation for non-homosexual transgender and transsexualism (heretofore ‘MtF’) is Blanchard’s concept of autogynephilia, a man’s propensity to be sexually aroused by the through or image of himself as a woman. Put that another way, a male’s overwhelming, compulsive attraction to the idea of being a woman. It is a paraphilia, a misdirection of normal male heterosexual sex drive. You are AGP, since you are non-homosexual by your own words. Your body type is in conformity with the range for males in your ethnicity — you are a skinny guy who wants to be a woman. Since I doubt very much if you even know any HSTS (they avoid AGPs in the West, for obvious reasons) how would you know whether their bodies are feminine or not? I know plenty and I can assure you they are, and not because of silicone injections or implants either. It is indeed natural. It is one of the cluster of traits that define HSTS.
This has NOTHING to do with age, although HSTS do tend to have earlier onset. Irrespective of age of onset, HSTS and AGP are always easily and clearly distinguishable. It is true that in a few cases (much more so in Asia) AGPs who transition early can be remarkably beautiful; but put one beside an HSTS and the difference is instantly obvious. There is NO SUCH THING as ‘childhood gender dysphoria’ this is a vicious trope invented by Western AGP activists who do not care how many children they damage in their own narrow political interests. Yes some children do exhibit Gender Non-Conforming (GNC) behaviours and a few do go on to become TS but GNC IS NOT gender dysphoria and GNC boys who persist will ALL become either HSTS or fem gay men (most would be better being HSTS.) But they are never AGP because they are always exclusively attracted to men. QED.
Nobody has ever satisfactorily explained why it is that Western AGPs are as obnoxious as they are. Is it some sort of pseudo-feminism? AGPs elsewhere can be difficult but rarely as relentlessly objectionable. IDGAF what they think of me, but the constant attempt to totally erase HSTS and to pretend that AGPs are ‘just the same’ is appalling. There is no similarity between you and an HSTS; you just attempt to deny their existence in order to promote yourselves.
Hi Shauna, well ‘people who “identify” as something but maintain that passing is problematic and self-identifying is all that matters’ are most likely transtrenders. This is an Identity Politics inspired fashion statement. It is similar to Emo or Punk, in that it involves rejection of conventional gender stereotypes but takes this much further. Because they reject gender, which has been the target of Post-modernist Feminist attack for decades, they also reject the idea of ‘passing’ in gender. They attack real transpeople as ‘truscum’ and insist that Gender Dysphoria is not a requirement to be ‘transgender’. If this were true, of course, then the word ‘transgender’ would lose all meaning other than as a fashionable Identity Politics group label. That is why I no longer use it in a general sense and only as a part of ‘transgender homosexual’ ie, feminine male and masculine female homosexuality.
The transtrenders themselves are about as meaningful as Punk or Emo, but while the focus of the earlier movements was very much on music and associated youth culture, with gender-bending being an adjunct, the focus of transtrender is on the denial of gender itself. It is a symptom of radfem attack on gender itself, which is not only innate, but the interface through which we function in society. The aim of Postmodernism and particularly Postmodernist feminism, is the utter destruction of Western culture and, in the latter case, its replacement with a collectivist gynocracy, aka Communism by any other name. As we see from Venezuela right now, and saw many times in the 20th century, collectivism is a recipe for disaster that always, always, leads to starvation, misery and, of course, violence, since no opposing ideas can ever be tolerated. We see this already in the transtrender cult, which uses mob tactics to silence any opposition.
As to your school friend, while HSTS are always concerned with passing, AGPs often are not. They try instead to bully those around them into accepting them as ‘women’ just by saying so. As the late Kiira Triea (HSTS) said, ‘If you have to bully someone into saying how feminine you are, you probably are not very’. He might, therefore, be AGP rather than transtrender; the latter usually eschew hormones because it is an implicit acceptance of the ‘gender stereotypes’ that they reject.
Some transtrenders are actually gay males who are unwilling to embrace their innate femininity, because of internalised homophobia. However, they are unable to express themselves as masculine, because they have no idea how to, so they adopt a ‘non-binary’ self ID or call themselves ‘transgender’. They are in De Nial and there are many crocodiles there!
I used to think HSTS tended always to be short and petite but I was re-educated by an HSTS friend. This seems to vary by ethnicity and, in any case, was never a rule, just a numerical propensity. So, we cannot use tallness as an indicator of type except in specific populations eg the Phlippines, where HSTS do tend to be shorter and more like the average for women than men. I was wrong to invest more certainty than I should have in that rule.
Where is the population you’re observing and what is its ethnicity?
Regards R
This was a fascinating article and explained something I have pondered for a long time.
I went to Canada in 1995 for SRS and part of the package was a room for two weeks in a large house with a group of others that were there for the same reason. There were common areas so people could share meals and socialize. The group size was around eight to ten people in total.
A somewhat masculine female friend went with me for support and we were to be picked up at the airport by one of the staff – a trans women associated with the house. She had a sign with my name on it and when I approached and said I was the person she was to pick up, she acted like I had the wrong person and did not want to believe me. I later found out from my friend that they though she was the one there for surgery (they performed surgery for both MFT and FTM).
I had not met any trans people before this trip and I felt very out of place. I was definitely different from the others. They were all much older and larger with one exception that was in between. I stayed near her and my friend and away from the others. One of them tried to hit on me while we were there and it was disturbing. I have avoided the trans community ever since.
I am on the taller side, but am in the bottom 1% of body mass for males of my height and around 90% of my anthropometric measurements I checked fall into the normal female range for my height.
Anthropometric Measurements — an Intuitive Visualization
https://anthro.cs.uni-freiburg.de/#colx=100&coly=91
There are definitely two types in my experience.
Thank you for this story