Originally posted 2013-06-21 14:29:52.
Love of transwomen is a little-discussed area. There are at least two forms, in males: autogynephilic and non-autogynephilic.
Plus, since there are actually two distinct types of males who appear to be women, unsurprisingly this affects the type of men who display love of transwomen.
A ‘homosexual’ in the original definition, is an unmasculine male This conforms to other terms used elsewhere in the world, like kathoey, bakla an travesti. It also conforms to older Western terms like catamite and sodomite. Obviously, the most complete expression of this is the HomoSexual Transsexual.
However in the West, because of Kinsey, ‘homosexual’ has come to mean ‘male who has sex with other males’. I’ve addressed this HERE. This was extremely unhelpful and has spawned reams of claptrap about ‘same sex attraction’ and ‘sexed bodies’. These concepts are nonsensical. The function of gender is to attract; we are attracted to gender and not to sex. Love of transwomen, on the part of a man, is therefore not in itself homosexual.
Homosexuals may be smaller, lighter and more neotenous than other males. They are cross-gender identified from childhood. All such males have the potential to be successful as women. They are attracted to masculine gender features—muscular taught bodies, facial hair, prominent jaws, assertive attitude and so on.
If it were as simple as that, then that would be it. But it’s not. There are some other issues to deal with, especially where the girl retains a penis. I’ve made a YouTube video discussing this, here.
Homosexuality as seen in the West today is a canard
The contemporary model of ‘gay’ male sexuality is essentially a socio-political construct, which was invented to prevent homosexuals from being stigmatised. They were encouraged to be as masculine as possible themselves, while being attracted to the same attributes in others.
They had to drop all of their effeminate behaviours and become macho, macho men, so that they would be ‘accommodated’ by mainstream society. Thus was born the ‘egalitarian’ model of male homosexuality, what I call the New Gay Man. He appeared in the USA, the global mother lode of bad ideas, in 1969.
This type of homosexual tries to look like the men he’s attracted to. Homosexuals, under the Western, or ‘egalitarian’ model, go to great lengths to be as masculine and macho as they can in order to attract other homosexuals who are themselves attracted to masculine and macho presentations. To do this they suppress, more or less successfully, their own femininity. This, however, is at the cost of enduring Gender Dysphoria. (Apart from being ridiculous.)
Homosexuals are attracted to masculine men, not transsexuals. Underneath their faux-masculine personas, these men desire to play the female sexual role to a man. They are not in any way attracted to transwomen, as has been repeatedly shown in the literature.
One result of social and peer pressure has been that an unknown number of potential HomoSexual Transsexuals have ended up as feminine pseudo-men. This unfortunate situation has been exacerbated by a widespread belief amongst professionals that ‘gay is better than trans.’ But there is no evidence for this claim.
Love of transwomen
Here we are talking principally about transwomen who have not undergone Genital Reconstruction Surgery. They retain their penises.
More commonly they are known as pre-operative transwomen, sometimes as ‘shemales’ or ‘trannies’ and by a number of local names like ‘travestis’ and ‘ladyboys’. They are at the heart of a massive section of the porn industry and of personal sex work; many men are attracted to them.
Transwomen: males who look and act like girls.
These present a combination of feminine attractors — soft skin, pretty faces, feminine mannerisms and so on. In nearly all cases today they will be taking feminising hormones. They may also have injected silicone to ‘make shape’. But crucially, they retain a penis.
Studies have been done by Kevin Hsu at Northwestern University in Chicago.
Hsu, Rosenthal, Miller, & Bailey 2015 (GAMP)
To sum up the state of present knowledge, about forty percent of the men who exhibit love of transwomen, of both types, are themselves autogynephilic. They are attracted to what they themselves desire to be. This is a form of autoeroticism in which an Erotic Target Location Error exists but in this case it is not some much a fixation on ‘being a woman’ but on ‘being a transwoman’. Often these men will have a long history of porn usage.
There is a proportion of these men who take this further, according to the reports of trans escorts and prostitutes. They like to dress as women when being penetrated.
These men are clearly autogynephilic. Their dressing is a part of the transgender sexual experience that they desire.
Autogynephilic love of transwomen often features desire for huge boobs, facial surgery and silicone hips. Indeed the visual evidence of transition appears to be an attractor for these men. Whenever I have met such a man, in company with a transwoman, she has been obviously autogynephilic. It’s as if the very obviousness itself is an attractor. Such men, if they form relationships with transwomen, often insist that they stop taking hormones, so that they can better penetrate the man. An HSTS would rarely do this.
Love of transwomen for the other 60%
The rest are much more difficult. Are they conventional heterosexual men? Well in terms of attraction, yes. The women they are attracted to are quintessentially feminine.
The problem is the cock.
Some non-autogynephilic attraction to transwomen seems similar. Men are attracted both to the pretty face, the alluring eyes, the breasts, the soft skin and at the same time, the penis. (Men specifically attracted to post-operative transwomen are rare and most appear to be fetishists.) So the stimuli are operating simultaneously but, and this is particular to trans-attraction, in the same body.
These men tend not to go for massive hips and buttocks or surgically rebuilt faces. They like breasts, but cute hormonal ones are fine. They’re not saying no to implanted ones, but it’s not a deal-breaker at all. (Having said which, nice boobs don’t hurt.)They are turned on by ‘beautiful girly-boys.’
There seems little difference between these men’s attraction to transwomen and, for example, the Roman attraction to the ‘puer delicatus’, literally the ‘pretty boy’. This was often, though not always, a slave-boy who was marked for femininity. Frequently he would have been castrated and raised as a girl, in order to serve the master’s desire.
Castration, if it occurred before puberty, would have significant consequences, such as, the preservation of the juvenile voice and the retention of child-like features, which is called ‘neoteny’. This is one of the characteristics of feminine beauty. In addition it’s possible that such boys would have developed breast tissue and, clearly, their bodies would never masculinise. The most famous puer delicatus was a boy named Sporus, who was taken as wife by the Emperor Nero.
Most men are repulsed by masculinity, which is a heteronormative reaction. They are usually also repulsed by typical Western AGPs, who are way too masculine, both in appearance and manners, to attract them.
Frequently these men will admit to enjoying penetrating anally. After all, any sexual penetration of a pre-operative transwomen has to be via the anus, so for a man who desires this kind of sex, she’s a good partner.
How does non-AGP love of transwomen arise?
As is well known, many boys grow up thinking that women have penises. This was discussed by Freud, who considered that such men might consider the removal of the penis as a punishment of some kind, and that this was what had happened to girls and women. Camille Paglia also writes about this and at least one well-known sex researcher has privately noted to me that he believed this. It was certainly my childhood experience as well as that of every one of my school peers whom I discussed this with at the time. I remained mystified about the biological reality of childbirth and sex until after puberty, thinking that sex was a matter of the man putting his penis in the anus of the woman, and that this was also where babies appeared from.
I was first stimulated by the idea of a girl with a penis when I was around 8 or 9. This had become something of a crush fantasy and I remember thinking about it a lot. I grew up in the 60s and then, in the UK, porn was unavailable. Instead there was Reveille magazine, which featured pictures of girls in swimsuits. My father kept a collection he didn’t think we knew about. When I looked at these pictures I visualised the girls with penises under their swimsuits. This was years before I began masturbating.
One night my younger brother and I were talking about girls and I drew a picture, from memory, of one of the Reveille girls, leaning tastefully against a tree. In the original, she was wearing a flesh-toned one-piece swimsuit. I drew her naked — but with a penis. That was because I believed that all girls had penises. And I am not by any means alone.
So how might this operate in the non-AGP transattracted male? Well, men like this — who are attracted to women — may spend many years wondering, even if subconsciously, why the women they are involved with, whom they may sincerely love, seem to be ‘missing something’. And the day they meet, and see naked for the first time, a transwoman with a penis … revelation dawns. Suddenly, they see a woman who matches that image that first crystallised in their childhood.
At the same time, we are all attracted to the body type we had our first sexual experiences with and, if this was a teenage girl, her body would have been girlish, rather than matronly. This ‘waif’ look is so popular amongst Art Directors that it must be widespread.
So in a transwoman, especially an HSTS transwoman, the non-AGP man finds a person who ticks all his boxes. She is androgynous, feminine, but not matronly. There will be accents in her features and body that are more reminiscent of a young girl than a mature woman. HSTS who maintain a hormone regime and who start taking hormones in their adolescence, as is usually the case outside the West, retain these features well into middle-age. And of course, they have that secret thing that other women do not have, the penis.
Although it might seem curious, men like this seem more attracted to small penises in their partners rather than large ones. As an aside, I think this relates to the famous Classical propensity to depict men, other than when in acts of sex, with markedly undersized genitalia. Large ones repulse heterosexual, non-AGP men.
If you would like to read a fictionalised account of a man and his love of transwomen, try this: The Warm Pink Jelly Express Train
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